On-demand: postgrad info sessions

Gerard Reinmuth:

Online for teaching and learning purposes for staff to understand of course, some of the questions and so on. So as you can see, just need to acknowledge it's been recorded, but really, if the first period, the one being recorded is me for archiving purposes. You can also contact UTS at the email below if you don't want to participate in this recorded webinar and discuss questions. In terms of asking questions, there's a sort of standard Zoom webinar format. Some of you'll be more familiar perhaps than others. There's a Q&A box and you should be able to ask questions there, and when I finish presenting, I should therefore be able to see your questions also.

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Okay, so the UTS Master of Architecture. The course director of UTS Master of Architecture, Professor Anthony Burke. He's away on leave this semester. And myself, Professor Gerard Reinmuth is the acting course director. I've also been the course director in the past, in fact, when UTS transformed, you might say, the master's program about 10 years ago to the version you see now.

It sits as part of, of course, a nested set of courses. The School of Architecture sits within a faculty which has also Design and Built Environment, which is a very important thing, a very important opportunity in terms of talking to people from other disciplines and also doing electives in those other disciplines. The school has three programs, architecture, landscape architecture, interior architecture and architecture. Discipline has, as you can see in the bottom, the Batchelor of Design. The master, which you've probably done if you're listening to this webinar. The Master of Architecture, there's also research and then of course a PhD program.

In terms of the Masters of Architecture, it's, in simple terms, a 24 credit point semester. 50% of that 12 credit points is made up of the design studio as has always been. I can't imagine it really being otherwise. The key center where those skills in design and synthesis are developed. We then have six professional practice points. That's one subject every semester. Very specific offer of UTS is its professional practice program. I think in Australia it's arguably the largest in terms of contact hours. Four subjects, one for each semester of the masters and then electives. So that also means a quarter of your credit points are effectively self-driven study or self chosen subjects. And after four semesters or after more semesters, if you choose to do it slower, but on the accrual of 96 credit points, then you have the masters.

The studio takes place in building six at UTS on Harris Street, 702 Harris Street if you want to go and have a look. There's a series of design studios there. They remain of course, as always, again, has been the home of thinking and learning about design. The key value of the studio is actually not just interaction with your teachers but interaction with each other and watching each other do things. And thankfully I can say in this sort of post COVID or living with COVID world, the studios are now back to full capacity and UTS has a very strong commitment, I should say certainly the architecture program to in person. We've discovered during COVID, yes, the benefits of some remote teaching and learning, but also the dilemmas that learning new skills is very, very difficult and design skills are very difficult. So there's a great commitment to being together with you, learning.

Making is a big part of what we do. The T in UTS stands for technology and there's a commitment in school to technology and there's some key members of staff who have expertise in making in all forms. And of course one of those forms is robotics, and down the laneway at the back of building six, you can peek in and see this robot doing its thing. We have mezzanine space where there's actually a lot of another sort of what's called intense computer based space where often the computer based master studios happen. By computer based, I mean people dealing with parametric modeling or other forms of computation. Of course everything involves some form of computation. And also throughout the building there's a series of spaces where we sometimes do one time models or test different things within the school.

So as I said, we make many different things. We sometimes make mock-ups. This is a mock-up detail, one to one. We of course make models and now again it's a delight to back teaching. I just came myself from teaching in the master's studio and seeing models again. And as I said, also someones making one to one. We also do situated making. There's been a series of studios and electives that actually happen with key sites outside the university and so often they'll be making in place. In terms of the studios, we have a series of types of studio. There are three main ones I want to mention in this very brief introduction. One's called Studio Plus. The way the course is currently configured, you have to have done two of those in your four studios.

Studio Plus is a studio that's really lent toward the formal accreditation processes. I can answer questions about that if need. But UTS is an accredited course, which means you can complete the course and register, go on to do the processes to register as an architect. And Studio Plus focuses on the delivery of key technical skills, coordination skills, integration of structures and other knowledge in a much more complete proposal. Very importantly, counter balancing that with Studio X. That is a very experimental studio sometimes tending almost to art and sculpture practice as much as architecture practice, looking at often more theoretical questions and enjoying the freedoms that comes with that.

And we also have interdisciplinary studios. So as I mentioned, we have landscape and interior programs in the school and at the moment in the masters, there's a big crossover, particularly in the first semester of every year with landscape. And so there are studios that as architecture students you can do led by landscape teachers. And I think in this current environment, thinking more about sustainment, about landscape and also about working with country, that is working with and understanding indigenous knowledge regarding landscape. Having that landscape capacity is, I think, a profound important part of the UTS offer.

As I said, we also then have electives. I'm taking a traveling studio elective to Copenhagen in early December. As you can see here, we have drawing electives and detailing electives. One can also go into the build environment school. A lot of the students choose to do project management electives. So there's a series of electives we can do. Really it's as broad as you want and any postgraduate subject in the university in fact can be, with permission, given as an elective.

Of course, COVID put a restriction on what we could do regarding visiting tutors and lectures. That's thankfully now in the process of restarting. UTS has always understood itself as a very globally oriented school, interest in what people doing elsewhere, inviting people from elsewhere to here. And this is one such studio from a very well known Spanish teacher who ran this a couple of years ago, just before COVID. This is last semesters... Actually, I think it's a combination of two semesters of studios showing the range of things we have in our master studio program. To talk about a couple of domestic formalities, on the left is a studio about housing. It's running four and five years. Very important studio, rethinking domesticity and housing in this current environment, thinking of multi-gen families, different types of families, affordability and so on. Bottom one, Antarctica was one of those studios I mentioned run by one of our landscape team, looking at architecture in Antarctica.

Things like Fire and Apocalypse Now deal with Excess of Tipping Points, deal with climate change for example. And there are many ways we've been looking at that. Architecture of Relationality is my studio, looks at the role of the building and the decisions we make and where you might say decisions might result in a building or something else. And Mohammed Mahi for example, down the bottom is a specific teacher who deals with computation, as I mentioned before. So, very wide range of studios and that's something again we pride ourselves on. And the studios are done, I should say, via a ballot system. So literally the studio teachers present at the start of every semester and then you vote, if there's 10 studios on offer you vote one to 10. And as you move through the semesters, your preference changes. That is when you're in the final semester, your first preference is the one you get when you start the course.

Sometimes you might get your second or third because of course you eventually become the final semester student and get that first preference regardless. This is just one project that Anthony had in here by Rhiannon Brownbill that won a number of prizes actually in 2021. A project working with Shannon Foster and Jo Kinniburgh. They run a studio around working with country. Shannon Foster is a registered traditional land owner and they together also run a practice called a Bangawarra. And they ran this incredible studio with Rhiannon looking at Goat Island and it's effectively a sort of convalescent home type logic, but for indigenous people in that place. And there's just incredible layers of understanding about landscape, about ritual materiality in detail and you can see. So this is just an example of one of the sort of new forms of research and design that are coming out of the school.

At the same time, we had a project win a prize in the Solar Decathlon, which is a huge American sustainability prize, been going for a long time as you can see by the drawings compared to the previous one. Very concrete, you might say much more, on the outset, conventional as it looks more like a building you might know, but it's very rigorous in the way it thinks through environmental detailing and systems, and as they're won an international prize. A key part of the education process is still the jury system. It's very important. I'm a practicing architect as well as professor at the university. I'm sitting in my office where you can see some work behind me here. What we do every day is present to all sorts of different people in the public realm. Sometimes they're experts, sometimes they're not expert, sometimes they're ministers in government, sometimes they're developers.

And so of course the jury process is a very important process that has you all familiar with presenting things because the rest of your lives you'll be presenting things to your bosses or to your clients or stakeholders. The masters has three crits in the semester for the studio. It's what we call a midterm. That's really when people are in the research phase. We then have what we call a pre-final where the drawings look fairly final, but they're still in, let's call it draft form, ready for lots of comments. And then of course the final review. And again, pre COVID, these were fairly festive, almost celebratory events as you can probably see by the photos. Certainly in my studio, and I'd say many, there's was a very positive approach taken to the crit. It's a celebration of the work as much as, of course a review.

With so many diverse studios and so many diverse things going on, we also... Oops, I missed a slide or it's still here, but I was going to mention quickly we talk about parity and this year these will meet and discuss differences between the work. I'm, as the Professor of Practice, the one who's really been responsible for a number of years for the professional practice program, which you see on the screen now. Has four subjects, one starting Research Cultures really talks about research in architecture and the sort of questions of professionalism around that. Then we get into what you might understand as more conventional professional subjects being The Profession, which talks about effectively the things that might motivate you to run and structure a business in architecture. Finance and Project Management talks to all the contractual knowledge we have to have in running projects as registered architects. And then Advocacy talks about the role of the architect as a public intellectual.

Again, architecture as a profession is the idea that disinterested professional that is someone whose job is not just to do work but to help society understand things about its city and advocate for those. The electives, as I said, are numerous. A key part of our project also now is re-internationalization, you might say. After COVID we had lots of course online things and what we've decided to do is actually make the best of that where we now have more people visiting. But in the art teacher masters program, we have an international studio every semester, which is the one that's left online. And we are working with different people in different parts of the world who are teaching you. So for those who for some reason want to do an online and also access someone outside the school, that option exists every semester. Last semester I coordinated three Danish architects working, showing away a showcase of Danish architectural thinking and this semester two academics in Israel are running a studio.

So in a way to conclude, this then builds out the, again bigger picture again being reconstructed as we depart the constraints of COVID. Public lectures, masters guest lectures, workshops, exhibitions. It's a very active school. I'll say something's always happening and the work ideally is always on show.

So that's my quick synopsis, perhaps took 15 minutes, of the school, you can find more out. It's definitely worth following us on Instagram. It gives a picture of what we do. Or you can email Anthony and as I said, he's away another month or so. But you'll get to me. I should have my put email in there. And now we're at the questions point, so I'm going to stop sharing the screen so I can see the questions. I can see Luke's put in the chat a note about any questions to us at dov.communication will also link you with me if needed.

So unless I'm looking at the wrong part of the screen, I cannot see any questions. So the question...

Luke Chess:

We don't have any questions just yet.

Gerard Reinmuth:

And also I should say I'm happy to re-explain any of that or again, you can save your questions for an email and I'll personally email you back with answers to those if you would like.

All right. Oh, one question has just appeared, I can see. Ah, so we've had a question wanting to ask about the studios. Is it a typical single project that's developed throughout a semester or are there multiple briefs? What generally happens is each studio tutor... I should say the studios are very diverse. So in a way the answer is all the above and more. For example, my studio this semester is looking at Lismore in the case of flooding. So students had to go to Lismore, understand impacts of flooding in the city and then choose both a site and a brief. So very, very open. In another case, someone's doing housing as sort of... Actually a women's refuge, so the brief is very precise, the site is known and they're working on that all semester. So really there's that complete variance.

And when you choose studios, the tutors always talk about what they're going to do and how open it's going to be, so the students are feeling confident about making their own project and doing their own research to work out what the project is, let's say within a studio theme. Then there are studios for those. If there are others that are more comfortable to have a brief and have a site, which of course saves a lot of time because often in those larger studios, more expansive studios, it can take four or five, six weeks to work out what the project is, they can do those.

Next steps, in terms of applying for masters, we'd have to have formally answered by pro marketing team. As I said, I'm the temporary course coordinator, so running the course but not being involved with applications so much, but you can probably get an answer via the DAB.communication email. So that's another question that's come through there on the formal processes. It all depends on, it's a very personal question, where you're coming from if it's another bachelor course, if it's a matured aged student, if it's international, et cetera. So that's really a good one to have answered in a customized way. And I'll just perhaps ask if there are any more questions with perhaps a minute or so to go.

Yes, there's one more. Ah. So this is one I'll ask you to email the DAB.communication email. This is the question around work in an unrelated field. That's a very good example of it, let's call it a very specific question. First answer is yes, I've tutored and seen some excellent people go through who came from a completely different field. In fact, because architecture is about, of course, people and society, there are many great advantages in actually coming from another field, another education. So the answer is yes, great idea. The question is then, what's the process? And the process is fairly strict in that one does a bachelor and then a master's. But of course there can be credit given for different or related study, which might sometimes mean the bachelor component is shortened, if that makes sense.

But again, that's a question I'm very happy to answer via an email, which can be arranged via the DAB.communication@uts.edu.au. But I'd certainly say very much welcome that and in fact I just came from shooting my students just now and two of those are exactly in that case. [inaudible 00:21:15] their master's, started later coming from different fields and of course made great contributions because of that world view and perspective.

But I think generally, look, there's a huge team at UTS that are very helpful in managing all these questions in detail and in a very personal customized way. So I also, as part of my role, I think it's every Monday, I have one-on-ones with people, 15 minute meetings. So if any of you have more questions, you can also do that. And if I don't know the answer, I'll always find out what the answer is and get back to you personally. So please don't hesitate to find out more and don't think we are not approachable. I'm just this head on the webinar screen. Very happy to have a one on one chat with you.

Great. Well if it's okay with the communications team if I can't see... Oh that is one more question down the bottom. Yes, there will be a student exhibition this semester. Another question, it's being organized now by the coordinator of the undergrad. It'll have both undergrad and master's work. It's going to be at the school. I think it's on the 24th of November, but if you keep eye on our Instagram, details will be provided but in late November there most definitely will be an exhibition. The first one in a number of years. So it'll be probably more modest than in previous years because there's again, we're all waking up as it were, post COVID. But I think that'll be a great thing to do and come and look at. And now all of you have seen me on this screen if you are at that show, and I'd recommend all of you online to attend that, come up and say hello to me and tell me you're on this webinar and we can chat about the work. Again, be very happy to meet all of you. So do come along. That's really a good idea.

Thanks for that question actually, thanks for your questions. All the right things, and again, apologies if I'm not being super specific on some of those admissions things, but it really is a one-on-one thing. But again, we have the commitment to talk to you and work with you one-on-one to find the right pathway. So please just get back in contact with us, as I can see is being noted in the chat. Great. Well we are now at time. There are no more questions. I'm going to bid you all farewell. I'm not sure, the comms team, is any concluding comments you want to make or I press the red button, is that right? And we end the webinar.

Johnny Wong:

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All right. During the webinar, if you have any questions about the course, about the program, please type your questions into the Q&A, which you see at the bottom of your screen, and we'll try to answer the question as soon as we can. All right. Welcome again for those who joined this webinar late. My name is Johnny. I'm the Acting Course Director of both the Graduate Certificate in Construction Management and also the Graduate Diploma in Construction Management. Actually, these two courses, Graduate Certificate in Construction Management and Graduate Diploma in Construction Management, aim to provide graduates with management skills relevant to the operations of construction management and construction projects. The courses actually provide a pathway for people that could have construction industry experience but do not have any construction management qualifications or for those people who have qualifications in another industry but who want to transit to the construction industry.

All right. Let me start with the Graduate Certificate in Construction Management. In this program, students must complete 24 credit points, which make up all four compulsory subjects. They are the construction technology and regulations and construction management, which are in the autumn semester. In spring semester, there are two more subjects, which are time quality and risk management and construction course planning and controls. Each of subjects will carry six credit points. Altogether, when you finish all these four subjects, you will complete 24 credit points. For Graduate Diploma in Construction Management, a student must complete 48 credit points in this program, which is made up of 42 credit points of the core subjects and another six credit points of any elective.

In addition to the subjects I mentioned before, in this diploma program, students need to take the other four subjects, which are the project communication and HR stakeholders, one elective, and also two subjects in spring semester, which are the managing project contracts and also the project integrations management. Student can do it both either full-time or part-time. If you do it full-time mode, you will complete the program in one year. If you do it like part-time, you need to do it in two years, and you take two subjects per semester. Altogether, you need to come to 48 credit points, which includes seven core subjects and one elective, as I mentioned before.

All right. In terms of the delivery mode for each subject, we require students to spend around 150 hours of study time, which include 30 plus hours in block mode, block lectures, tutorials, and workshops. For the remaining time, we expect students to spend on the reading and also to completing their assignments.

In terms of the admission requirements for the Graduate Certificate in Construction Management, we require applicants to have a recognized bachelor's degree and at least one year of industry experience. Another alternative admission requirement is a minimum of five years relevant experience. What I mean here is if you don't have a recognized bachelor degree and you don't have one year relevant industry experience, an alternative admission requirement is a minimum of five years relevant experience. For the Graduate Diploma in Construction Management, the admission requirement is very similar. We require the applicants to have a recognized bachelor's degree and one year industry experience or a minimum of five year relevant experience. For those applicants who have completed the UTS Graduate Certificate in Construction Management, they will be made a threshold offer. In the submission of the material or all the documents, make sure you also submit personal statements, an employer's letter, and also CV as part of the application.

Another feature of this program is for the Graduate Certificate in Construction Management. We have provided the Commonwealth supported places, and this is available for the local students. If you admit to UTS as a Commonwealth supported student, you hold a Commonwealth supported place. This mean that the Australian government will make a contribution towards the course of education, and you just pay the balance for the student contributions. If you want to know a bit more information about the Commonwealth supported places, you can just go to this website. All right? Yep. This is actually the website of the Commonwealth Supported Place on the UTS website. Okay.

All right. After the student completes the Graduate Diploma in Construction Management, they're able to complete the UTS Master of Project Management with an additional four subjects only. Actually, this is a very popular pathway for most of the graduates in Graduate Diploma in Construction Management because just an additional four subjects, you can get a master degree. You also get better professional regulations by different professional bodies. For example, the Master of Project Management is recognized by the Project Management Institute's Global Accreditation Centre for Project Management Education Program and also the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) which is from the UK. The Master of Project Management course is also endorsed by the Australian Institute of Project Management.

If you are interested to apply the graduate certificate, this is the link. When you go to this link, you can find further information about the certificate program, like the subjects, the courses, the details, the fees, and also details about how to apply it. There's another link, which is for the graduate diploma, and this one is for the Graduate Diploma in Construction Management. It provides you also the details about the program, about the course information, and also how to apply.

All right. There's some contact information for you if you want to know a bit more about the course information and also the administrative issue of the applications, please contact the DAB Communications through this email address: dab.communications@uts.edu.au. If you have any questions about the academic size of the program, the subjects, the courses, and other details, you can contact the course director, Dr. Arezoo. This is her email address or contact myself. I'm the Acting Course Director, and this is my email address.

I see there are two questions in the chat room. Oh, actually, it's the details of the applications. The link to the applications. All right. Just wonder any questions?

Yeah. I can see there're applicants with questions. Joe? Hi, Joe.

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Hi.

Johnny Wong:

Hi? How are you?

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Sorry, I cannot hear you clearly.

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Johnny Wong:

Sorry, can you say again? I can't hear clearly. Oh, would you mind typing questions? If you don't mind? Yeah. Okay.

I found this one question here from one of the attendants. What is the biggest difference between Certificate of Construction Management and the diploma? Yes. Let me just go back to that slide.

The main difference between the Graduate Certificate in Construction Management and the Graduate Diploma in Construction Management is graduate certificate is a shorter program, which is only one year with two subjects per semester. What I mean is in graduate certificate, altogether you only need to enroll in four subjects, complete four subjects. For the graduate diploma, the total subjects you have to compete with eight subjects, which is double up. For some students, they do it full time, which means that they will take four subjects per semester, and they complete in one year. For those students who want to do it part time, they just take two subjects per semester for four semesters, so they complete it in two years. Did I answer your questions? Yes. I saw another question also about what's the difference between the graduate certificate and graduate diploma. Yeah. Yeah. Also, what I can say is the graduate diploma, of course, is better than the graduate certificate because you learn more subjects, and you are provided with a pathway to complete the Master of Project Management with additional four subjects.

I saw another question. I worked full time five to six days a week. How many days are we required to come to UTS? Okay. Good question. Actually, for most, the subject is delivered in block mode. What do you mean by block mode? Most of the subjects will deliver in two weekends from.. Actually, it's not just weekend. It starts from Thursday, Friday, and Saturday. Sometimes we also have class on Sunday, so this is one block mode. The second block mode maybe another week. We create the same delivery mode from Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. This actually benefits those students who work full time because they can just spend the two weekends to attend the class and then to compete all their classwork. Actually, I'm teaching one of the subjects. For my subjects, you start Thursday night, Thursday evening, and the next days will be on Friday and then Saturday. Student doesn't need to come back to UTS every week. Did that answer your question?

All right. I got another question. I would like to know if bachelor degree requirements can be from any field of study. Yeah. The background study. The requirement is from any field of study. For example, the bachelor degree can be from business, management, healthcare, and also from engineering. I got another question. So, diploma is better. After the diploma, can we continue for bachelor as well? Yeah. But, diploma is definitely better. I would suggest that after you complete your diploma, you should continue to do the post-graduate study. For example, you can do the project management as I mentioned in the slide here. After you finish the Graduate Diploma in Construction Management, you can continue to complete another post-graduate program, which is UTS Master of Project Management with additional four subjects only. Four subjects means two semesters for both of the students.

All right. Do we have any examinations? It really depends on the subjects. Some subjects have examinations. Some subjects are just purely based on the projects. I mean it is actually project-based. For example, my subjects, construction course control and planning, we don't have any examinations. We only require students to complete the assignments and also the online quizzes. All right. Another question. Is the course delivered online or in person? At the moment, because we're still affected by COVID, most of the subjects are still delivered online. Starting from the next year, we expect some subjects will be delivered on campus in-person, but we still have a number of subjects delivered online.

Let me check if I have any other questions.

All right. I don't have any more questions right now. Which units require a background in engineering? Actually, we don't have any subjects prerequisites, which require a background in engineering, but if you are from an engineering background or construction background, it will be better for you to understand the concept. My answer is there're no prerequisites requirements for those students without engineering backgrounds.

I got another question, which is about CV. We have to have CV to get approval to the entry of study? Yeah. You need to prepare CV together with your submission of your applications. For the entry requirements, what career and types of work is considered relevant experience? All right. If you work in the construction industry, engineering industry, that will be considered as the relevant in relevant experience. Unfortunately, if you work in other industries or other disciplines outside construction and engineering, we won't consider that as relevant. With the subjects just mentioned in person, will there be an online option for anyone regional and unable to make it to the university? Yep. Yeah. We will provide optional material for those students who cannot attend classes because of geographical reasons or special considerations. Yeah, we will provide all material to the students.

Is there any way to improve my learning? Okay. Yeah. For the next questions, I will answer it in person. All right.

All right. Sorry. I got another one. Another question. Sorry. When you consider an applicant's work experience, at what level industry experience do you expect them to have? All right. We don't have any strict requirements about the level of industry experience because as long as you can show that you are working in the engineering or construction industry, or your work is related to the engineering and construction industry, that is our requirement. We don't actually require certain levels of industry experience to fulfill the entry requirement.

What about if I did an architect degree 10 years ago in university? Will it be considered relevant? Yep. As long as your previous study, your bachelor's study, is relevant and considered recognized by UTS, that is not a problem. If you want to get more information, you can send an email to me. I can answer it in-person. Please send me an email for details. All right. I think I got one more question here. When do the applications close? I think I list our official answer to these questions. I'm not quite sure when the application goes. Let me just check the programs' information. Let me just check for you. All right. Oh, okay. I got some information here. Okay. The final closing day for the application for summer semester is the 6th of November, but... No, no, no. Hang on. Sorry. Final closing date for application for the main candidate autumn semester 2023 is the 30th of January. The deadline is 30th of January.

All right. If you want to start next year, the deadline is 30th of January. Let me check on the questions. Can I have your email? Yeah, my email is Johnny.wong@uts.edu.au. All right. When is the starting date for study next year? For most of the program, we start around late February and early March. All right. Yep. We start around late February and early March every year. Okay. All right.

Any other questions? Otherwise, if you have any other questions after this webinar, just feel free to send me an email. My email address is in the chatroom johnny.wong@uts.edu.au. You can also contact the faculty and the admission people. The email address is dab.communication@uts.edu.au. Thank you everyone for joining this webinar this evening. I hope that I will see you next year. If you have any questions about the program, the admissions requirements, please feel free to contact us again. Thank you so much everyone.

Martin Bryant:

Okay. Hi everyone. Can you all hear me? I hope you can, because I'm presuming you can. I don't get any feedback necessarily that you can hear me. But Irina, who is here with me, she'll let me know if people can't hear. My name is Martin Bryant, and I am a professor of landscape architecture at UTS. I run the landscape architecture program, both an undergraduate one and a postgraduate course. And I presume you are all interested in the postgraduate course. I'll just talk to you a little bit about that in the next 15 minutes or so, and then you can ask questions and get clarified where we're up to.

But just anecdotally, I'll note that in the last week, I have spoken to a number of colleagues in business, in practice, and they're all asking me where are all the landscape architecture graduates? They're all screening out for more. And I also went to Asia last few days as well, and talked to people there, and they're very frustrated that they have to import landscape architects from America at very expensive rates in order to do landscape architects projects in Vietnam and Indonesia.

So there's a world out there waiting for you, and it's not just about making a career, it's also about doing something which I hope you'll find contributes to the planet, the future, the environment, and makes people's lives healthier and happier. And hopefully, that'll make you satisfied in your future. So firstly, I'll acknowledge country that I am talking to you from, the Gadigal land of the Eora Nation, and our campus sits on that, and I acknowledge and pay respect to elders past, present, and future.

This recording will now be... This session will now be recorded. If you have an issue with being recorded, so your comments or whatever might be put in here, then you can contact UTS at the email address you see there at the bottom. If you just take a screenshot of that, you can talk to them if you are concerned about anything that's happened here. But otherwise, we'll start the recording now. I presume you'll do that, Irina.

And to ask questions, what we'd really like to do is just have you put the question in Q&A, and then I will read it out at the end and hopefully answer it, and that way, we can get this to be fairly coherent, and I can also see the range of questions so that we don't dwell too long on any one question or the other, depending on how many questions there are. So let me start.

So landscape architecture is two... The Master's of Landscape Architecture is a two year degree that we do at UTS. We sit in the School of Architecture, but we have a more or less self-contained course, though I do note that there are some courses that we share with other disciplines, simply because we want you to learn how to work with other disciplines. And sometimes they're architects, and sometimes they're designers, and sometimes they're scientists, and so on, so we'll get different projects to work in different ways.

This is a picture of some students who went on a tour to Europe and looked at a famous piece of waterway. This was a very degraded waterway once, and it's been worked over by some landscape architects to turn into a really healthy waterway. It's in Switzerland. You can see the vineyards in the background there. But the waterway was very poorly treated by a lot of factories, and the landscape architects' work was about purifying the water, and that meant doing things in the water in an ecological way to make it balanced. And students were all went there and listened to the landscape architects who designed this thing and a number of other projects while they were there.

UTS landscape architecture is only about eight years old, but I think we're kind of distinctive. And our distinctiveness was verified at the Barcelona Biennial, which was held last year, when all schools around the world submit what they think their school is up to and why they think they're good, or important, or significant, or whatever. And the judges recognized us, UTS landscape architecture, as being in the top three. So we finished in the top three schools in the world.

The other two schools, one was in New York and the other one was in Italy, that were in the top three. But it's quite distinctive. You'll notice that there's lots of other schools around Australia and America which didn't get into the top three, so we feel we've got a good system happening here, and that was verified in this Biennial last year.

Why our system is good, I would say, is because of three things. One is we have really good, and talented, and diverse staff. So there's six of us who teach into the program. All of us are incredibly different, but all of us have a common value and a goal, in that we want to make landscape architecture important, significant, and make significant contributions to the earth.

And some of the work is different, and here's a couple of things that you see that are different. So the picture on the left hand side is a picture of a map of Antarctica, but it's a different type of map. It was one drawn from krill's point of view. Krill are the little tiny prawns that live there, and basically, really important to the temperature of the oceans around the world, which affects climate change around the world, in the amount of carbon in the ocean affects climate change.

And we were trying to start to say, "Well, okay, we need to look at the world from beyond human beings perspective. We need to look at it from other creatures." And this is a way of just starting to look at, "Well, how would a krill have a map? And what are the flows and what are the ways and the borders and edges that they would have in the wilderness?" And that's a student's interpretation of that.

On the right hand side, you can see a picture of a student working in a... It's kind of like a bath type of water, where he's working out with technology, the impact of erosion on riverbanks. And you can see all little pictures behind him, so he's got quite a sophisticated piece of technology, and that's all in-house. So we do everything from, like I say, from the cartography, the new cartographies on the left, to high level technologies which are really changing the face of landscape architecture.

Landscape architecture, when I grew up, and when I did it 30 or 40 years ago, it was all about drawing with pencils and pens and that kind of thing. And now, there's a whole new world associated with it, and the technology gives us a greater level of detail, greater amounts of data, so that we can make more responsible responses to landscape.

At the core of all our landscape architecture course is a series of landscape studios. So you will do four of them if you do go into the master's. You may do another two if you do the grad certificate and grad diploma. These are the studios. So this was, what you see here in the background is a studio that was done for the Antarctica. So they got examples of animals, and they started to understand the science of the animals, and they also started to express the politics of it, and so they developed a series of schemes based on this core knowledge of what was happening there.

But we do all sorts of diverse things. So there's a studio that we took out to Broken Hill. There you see the students sitting on one of the hills looking west at Broken Hill at sunset, and they were designing, with a local aboriginal community, a cultural center. And what was interesting about it was that they were digging into the ground to expose what was under the ground, because Broken Hill's famous for what's in the ground, because they do a whole lot of mining. But they were trying to show that what's actually in the ground could actually be really healthy and help the health of Broken Hill.

Another type of studio that we did last year, and this year actually, was what we call Rewilding Moore Park. So we worked on the premise that some places in Sydney, and this is particularly in Moore Park, which is a golf course, could be redesigned so that it looks after animals, encourages more animals into the city. So there's a wildness that would happen in there. And so, the whole studio was exploring the idea of what actually makes something wild. And so there's partly a philosophical problem there, but it's also a problem which we try and think of as architectural. So how do we do something in it? And we need to know the tectonics of how all the ecologies work and so on.

And here's a series of drawings which some of the students were doing, saying that the architectural plan or the landscape architectural plan for the future is not necessarily just this one pretty picture, and yes, we do have to have the pretty pictures, which are really good and tell a lot of stories, but it's also of how we get there. And these students at the top were identifying the community activities that develop that. So we're quite interested in this whole way of redefining what landscape architecture can do, certainly to help the climate issues around the world.

Another studio we did was up in Byron Bay. We were looking at the coastal ecologies. We were looking at these lakes, the lagoons that you see there, and the health of those lakes. And a student developed another way of drawing and mapping those lakes to start to understand how the local aboriginals interpreted that area, and therefore, how that could be modified, not to make more housing around it, but to keep the lagoon ICOLLs healthy.

And we did a studio in Hong Kong, which we also brought back to Sydney. We were looking at this problem of density. How do you make places incredibly dense? Because we need density, because we've got to get people to live in places, but how do we do it where the landscape that's changing and keep the landscape healthy too? So it's not only a changing landscape, it's a healthy landscape. And one of those people in there, the lady in the middle, her name's Alyssa, she did a remarkable project where she started to create a story. And you can see the storyboard that she created there on the bottom right hand side, which led to a big map.

And she was putting this into Darling Harbor, that's a map of Darling Harbor. But she was using the knowledge she got out of going to Hong Kong to develop that storyline as if to say this narrative is a way in which we should be designing into the future. So you can see we're starting to explore different ideas about what design is. And it's not just one big picture, one big master scheme, which some famous architect or landscape architect does. It's actually working through different techniques, like different types of drawing and different types of stories and narratives that are important there.

In the last year we encourage students to do a thesis. So it is a design thesis. In other words, a thesis is normally, in academic terms, a long document with 50,000 words. We don't do that. We want 5,000 words maximum, but we want a design project in there. And this allows students to be really deep and also to spread out wide in what they're particularly interested in.

One student, she's doing a grasslands area... Well, she's just looking at grasslands in a city, and how important the grasslands are, and how the grass should be grown longer, and how people treat grasslands, and how they mow them. And so she developed a whole community program around grasslands and looking after grasslands. But that's one of a number of projects that get done in the thesis year. And what we really want is people to develop their niche by going deeply into an area in their design studio.

We also have a series of practice-based class. In other words, we explore the idea of how you might practice in the future. So professional practices teaches you about the traditional ways in which we practice professionally, and then we start to look at alternatives for practice, and practice that can be part of research, and practice that also advocates for certain positions. So if you want to advocate for the environment or advocate for grasslands, say, that's the sort of thing we want to develop in that practice subject there. So you can see how these subjects actually tie into the studios. They're a way of seeing how you would turn something which you design in your studio into this.

So just briefly, here is the structure of the course. You can see that I've labeled this MLA1 and MLA2. So they're the two years that you would spend doing this. So the two year MLA is a credited course. In other words, the Institute of Landscape Architects recognizes this course, and you would be able to use this course to become a registered landscape architect after you've finished or shortly after you've finished. I think they require a year or two of experience in practice before that happens. But this is a course which you must do, or one of the courses that you must do to be able to become a registered landscape architect.

And you can see if you start from the bottom and go up, MLA1 is master research, so there's a research studio, then there's an interdisciplinary design studio, and then there's two thesis projects. Same project that you do in the MLA2 in both the terms. So one gets to a certain point, you build it up conceptually, and then the second term, you develop it in detail. So like I say, you're going into a whole lot of depth. At the same time, you're doing some other subjects in MLA1. So there's, in the first term, we do project management, the traditional project management of professions. And then you'd look into research cultures. And then you'd look into a profession and then advocacy in the MLA2.

And alongside that is a series of electives, and I and other staff members, academics, will help you choose what electives you should be doing, simply because we want to make sure that you are really developing your expertise. We don't want you to just do an elective because there's an elective there and just do six credit points. We want you actually use this so that it's useful for you, so we will help you channel what you do in your electives. But there's no compunction on that. It's just us really interested in you and your contribution that you make in the future.

The other two courses, and this is... So the Master's of Landscape Architecture, the two year course, is for people who've done three years of landscape architecture somewhere else in the world. If you haven't come from a course which did landscape architecture, then we'd get you to do another year, which is two lots of 24 credit points. You do 24 credit points in a term, so in autumn and spring, and you can start in spring or you can start in autumn, it doesn't really matter, and you do a series of studios there. And then you do a series of subjects that are shown on the right hand side.

And again, this is a pathway which we would help you choose, so that you can work out exactly what you need. So for example, I get lots of architects who decided, "I've done three years of architecture, but I really want to be a landscape architect." So we would put them through this, and they do this three year degree, which includes the certificate, and diploma, and then the MLA.

And oh, the things you wouldn't have done. You wouldn't have done botany and ecology in your architecture degree, so those are the kinds of subjects we get you to do to make sure you've got a full complement of subjects that understand. So architects, if you did architecture then you would probably know how to draw, so communications one and two may be unnecessary to you. And you probably know how to do the construction.

On the other hand, we get lots of people from science, and especially from natural sciences, who have become interested in landscape architecture. They don't need to do ecology or botany, but they do need to learn how to draw, so they would be doing communications one and two, and maybe a construction and an infrastructures course. So you can see that the whole thing's designed to find out where you are at the moment you walk into the place, and also three years later, to make sure you have a particular niche in the area.

And there are also some... So it kind of sounds confusing because you can do the MLA, the Master's of Landscape Architecture, in three years, which is what I'm showing here. And that's if you don't have any landscape architecture studies already done. If you've already done a three year course, then you can just do the two year. If you've already done a four year course, you can just do the one year, which is the MLA2. So technically, I say you can do a one year, or two year, or a three year master's, but it all really depends on what experience you have.

So that's all that I was going to say, but I'm quite happy now to field any questions. And I notice there's a question in there, so I'm going to open that up. So Ezma has asked, "I have currently graduated with a master's degree in structural engineering. Can I apply for this degree?" The answer to that is yes, absolutely yes. That's exactly what we want. We want people who got a degree, but feel like they're not fully satisfied with the type of work they would do there, and can see that there's lots of benefit, and lots of creativity, and lots of enjoyment that comes from doing landscape architecture.

So we would take Ezma in to do the three year degree, the graduate certificate and diploma, and then the MLA. I would be focusing... If he's done structural engineering, he obviously doesn't need to do... Or she. I'm not sure whether Ezma is he or she. Let's go with they, would do some ecology, botany, maybe some one drawing course depending on the drawing skills. Again, I just talked with Ezma about it, just exactly what level of competence they have in terms of being able to draw, and then do the design studios, and then build it up from there and not.

There's a second question here. Hope that answers your question, Ezma. I hope all of you can just apply that idea that, wherever you've come from in the world, if you've come from law, IT, engineering, science, whatever, we take it as, "Okay there's holes in your education if you want to be a landscape architect. We're going to fill those holes in the first year. The first year is a bridging course, the graduate certificate and diploma. And then the second and third year, you're joining the rest of the cohort who have come through from the undergraduate degree to do a master's."

The second question says, "If I want to be a landscape architect without landscape background, only design background, I can only do three years instead of two?" Yes, that's right. Because what we want to make sure of is that you have the grounding in all the background knowledge. So if you've got a design degree and you obviously can draw a fair bit, and so you're fairly competent with that and you're fairly competent drawing. But we probably want to make sure that you understand ecology, and construction perhaps, if you haven't done that, or infrastructures, some of the things which you need that are going to be important.

What we're really after is making sure you're not just doing this course and not feeling satisfied at the end of it. We want to make sure that you're really skilled and you're really going to make a contribution when you walk out of this place. And I hope that's that's clear. But again, any one of you can come and send me an email and talk to me specifically about their particular situation. I'm more than happy to do that at another time.

The next question says, "Is all the course study online or face to face? Did you have the open day to chat directly?" The course is all face to face. At the moment, we still have a couple of people who started the course and are in China, and they can't get out of China because China has closed its borders. So we're still doing a small amount of them with online, and they're important to us, those students in China. And like I say, the potential for work in Asia is phenomenal. But we do do it face to face.

And the reason we do it face to face is because design is such... You learn design so much better when it's face to face. You see, I can draw things on your drawings, and you can draw over the top of my drawings, so that we can start to actually develop something. I know we can technically do that on Miro boards and other platforms online, but they're never anywhere near as good as doing it face to face.

And we want you to build models, and we want to look at models together of land forms, and landscapes, and start saying, "Oh, what's happening here? How's the water flowing down there? What's the topography doing?" Want to ask those sort of questions. We can do that with a model when we are looking at each other, and it's really hard to do it online. Well, it's possible online, but it's never really as satisfying.

Eduardo Castalato, he's a guest, and he's asked, "Can I do MLA1 and 2 part-time, as well as grad cert and grad diploma?" Yes. All of this, you can do part-time. So you just need to... So appreciate that lots of people who come in here, and we have lots of people who do come in here, and they have other commitments. They've got children, or they've got a job, and they've got a mortgage to pay, and mortgage rates are going up, and all that kind of stuff. So it is quite complicated with what happens in the world. And so, anyone can just choose those subjects and just go slowly through it. So it's obviously going to take longer than three years to do that, but that may well suit people.

And I don't necessarily think that there's any... It's really important to get it through and done as quickly as possible. What's really important is you enjoy doing it, and you get the most out of it, and you don't feel like you're just being put under stress year in, year out. So I encourage people to think about that part-time option, just to maybe spread it out a little bit to suit what they're doing and suit whatever family situation or work situation they're in. And we don't want to mess people's lives, but we do want to make your lives a whole lot better by making you enjoy what you're doing here.

That's all the questions that I can see at the moment. Is there anything else? And if you look in the chat, Irina has indicated that there's a position where you can make a booking with me, and we can talk about whatever your particular situation is and what you might do. And I'd be pretty... Yeah. I mean, I can understand pretty easily when you say, "Hey, here's my experience. I've done this, this, this, and this, and therefore, what should I be doing?" And I'll be able to more or less answer that pretty well on the spot, and that'll help you make your mind up.

And even if you don't need that, I'd really like to be able to talk to you before you actually start the course, whether you start in spring next year or in autumn next year. Autumn is the one we start in February. Because I'm keen to get everyone that I... We're a small cohort, and it's really nice having a small cohort, because we can just work out what everyone's good at, and we're not churning people through here like cattle. The year cohorts are about maybe maximum 20. And it's a really rich environment, because everyone's working together, and working off each other, and developing what they do. So I want to make sure that you see that personal side to how we can help your education.

Any other questions? There's another one in there. "Is it guaranteed to enter the Master of Landscape Architecture after finishing the diploma?" Yes. So you just have to pass the diploma, and you got an automatic entry. We wouldn't put you through the certificate and the diploma if you weren't going to go in and do the master's. And so, anything that's a pass, as long as you've passed everything, we'll get you into the master's.

But don't forget that I don't want you just getting a pass. I want you getting an HD, all of you, because that's what I'm here for. I'm here to make you excellent in what you do, not just at university, but what you offer to the discipline, and the profession, and the broader environment that we all live in or will have to live in the next 100 years.

"Where is the campus located?" We're all... The campus is entirely in Sydney. It's at Central Station, so it's near the main railway station in Sydney, and so it's very accessible. It's about a five minute walk from the main railway station. And all trains end up at Central Station in Sydney. And you can probably look that up in Google Maps. But everything ends up there, and then you've got a five minute walk, and then we've got these amazing studios and so on. Yeah.

Lots of people just enjoy the proximity to all the activities. And obviously, we make... Lots of our studios are based around the city, and then lots of them go into the country areas, like I was showing you before. So we are very committed to how we live in cities, and also how we live in the country, because the country is just as important as the city. Any more questions? Okay, well that's 6:45. Are we okay, Irina, to wrap it up there?

Irina:

Yes. If there are no more questions, I guess this is it.

Martin Bryant:

Okay. Well, I'd like to say it was lovely to talk to you, but I didn't see any of you. But I hopefully will see some of you sometime soon. And as I say, please feel free to contact me through that chat line address. Well, hang on. There is another question, I think. Ezma's got another question. "Is it possible to apply for a master's in architecture at UTS without having a bachelor's degree in architecture?" No. In architecture, architecture are pretty strict about making sure you have a design degree before you enter the master's, and they do that because of their accreditation requirements.

So landscape architecture is different, because we accept... People can come from all sorts of different backgrounds, and we think that it makes landscape architecture better, because landscape is broader and it's not as specific as architecture is. I hope that answers your question, Ezma. So the answer is basically no, but if you were to change that master's in landscape architecture without having a bachelor's degree in landscape architecture, then the answer is yes. So I hope that's clear.

Okay. Maybe we wrap it up there, Irina. Wait a minute. There's one more. As on the UTS website, it says a batch of architecture is required. Not for... Yes, it is for architecture. If you want to do a master's in architecture, then you need a bachelor in architecture, but not in landscape architecture. I hope that's clear, Ezma. But if you want to just discuss with me a bit later, but I hope everyone else is clear what we offer and what you need to do, or where you'd start to get into this. Okay. Maybe we wrap there, Irina.

Arina:

Yep.

Martin Bryant:

Thank you very much.

Arina:

Thanks, everyone.

Martin Bryant:

Thank you, everyone. I'll hopefully see you soon. Okay.

Sumita Ghosh:

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In UTS, we have different types of planning programs, like two main types. One is the on-campus program, the other one is the online program. Today, what I am talking about is only the on-campus program. In the on-campus program there are altogether three areas, Graduate Certificate in Planning, Master of Planning, Master of Property Development and Planning. Graduate certificate in planning is a pathway when you do not have a bachelor degree and if you have a credit mark in Graduate Certificate in Planning, that can lead to your enrollment in Master of Planning and also Master of Property Development and Planning.

Our both courses, Master of Planning and Master of Property Development and Planning are accredited by Planning Institute of Australia. These courses are face-to-face courses and especially in a graduate certificate of planning, it's the foundational course. It requires to complete four subjects and the entry is open in Ottoman Spring. That means each subject is six credit points, so total 24 credit points need to be completed. If you are studying full-time, it is only six months, that is one semester and if it is part-time, it's one year. In Master of Planning, it is a 1.5 years full-time course and three years part-time course. The course has total 12 subjects and each subject is again six credit points. And this course requires completion of 72 credit points. Master of Property Development and Planning are 96 point course. That means 16 subjects and its duration is two years or four years part-time.

As I mentioned before, this course is also accredited by Planning Institute of Australia. Now this course, the Master of Property Development and Planning gives you two degrees, the post-graduate degree in property development plus the postgraduate degree in planning. But if you are doing only Master of Planning, that is 1.5 years but still you can do another degree in Master of Property Development. That is what is the strength. Our subjects are common in Master of Planning as well as Master of Property Development. If anyone has completed Master of Property Development can come and do the degree Master of Planning and have two degrees. So you get RPL for subjects that are done in property development in planning and also in planning. If you want to do property development after doing Master of Planning, you get the RPL of the subjects that are completed and Master of Planning.

The planning degrees are very much practice based so it makes our students work ready. The planners, the different professionals come and teach in these subjects and especially it provides the courses develop a comprehensive approach to planning, what is happening in the real world and then it develops an understanding of relevance of their context. In relation to government, governmental decision making, policy market, social and environmental. It creates a very close link to the industry and because the people from industry come and teach in our subjects and our assessments are very much linked to practice based work. The degree also as I mentioned, that Master of Property Development and Planning degree is a joint degree.

The key website information for the three degrees are you can find at these links. It's available online and it requests for the first one, the graduate certificate in planning requires UTS recognised academic qualification. It can be equivalent to a bachelor degree or a graduate certificate, graduate diploma or a master's degree. But Master of Planning has some cognate disciplines. That means some particular disciplines if you come from... Have a bachelor degree in those disciplines, then the Master of Planning degree is offered. Some of these disciplines are architecture, landscape architecture, urban design and regional planning, interior and environmental design, community development, property economics, property development planning, geography, geographic information science or GIS, environmental science, law and economics. So what is very clear here, this planning is a multidisciplinary course where the people from different disciplines come together to work. It is very interesting and our students are made of professionals who are already working in the field and also the students who have just come out of finishing their bachelor degree.

It creates a very rich environment where the knowledge can be transferred from one person to other. And this is very interesting to be in the class because it raises lot of debates, a lot of contemporary issues. Those are very useful to discuss and reach yourself with the knowledge.

Similarly, Master of Property Development Planning requires a bachelor degree but there is no cognate disciplines, it requires a recognised bachelor degree. All these degrees like Master of Planning and Master of Property Development and Planning can have a alternative pathway to entry from doing graduate certificate in planning or property developmental planning and entering these. But you need to have that credit average marks. If you need more information on this, you can go to the website and read in detail. And there are core structures, how the courses are done like how many, four subjects you can take if you are working in a full-time student position and then which subjects you should do in autumn when they are offered. All the details of course structures or preferences, everything is there including the information on the admission requirements, eligibility and other things.

Here, I think I have already covered that. Graduate certificate in planning is a recognised bachelor degree or equivalent and an advanced diploma in a relevant discipline, so design, social science, property planning or relevant work experience also. And similarly, Master of Planning and Master of Property Development as I mentioned. There are some Commonwealth supported places for Master of Planning only available to the local students, not for the international students. And the future is that you can work, if you finish these degrees you can work in the different councils as planners and all the private organisations or consultancy farms as planners, as also as other areas which relates to planning.

How the courses are taught that... Generally the courses are taught in blocks which means that you don't have to attend weekly classes. You have to really come to the class. So for two days, say there are different structure of blocks. A subject can be taught in two full-day blocks. That means that there are two full days and there are two blocks. Totally you have to attend four full days to complete a subject and it could be also 2.5 days, one block and then 2.5 days another block and you complete the subject.

This is a very efficient way because you don't have to come to the campus every week. And especially for the professionals it's very useful because they can only take four days of leave and they can complete a subject. The subject, the teaching is very done in a different way where you don't get bored in the class. In the class there are seminars and then there are lectures, there are workshops. There is a combination of and group work, individual work. So even if you are studying a full day, it's very interesting and there is a lot of interaction between the teachers and the students and the professionals in the class.

I think I have talked about the shared subjects that the subjects we share with Master of Property Development and Master of Planning. There are subjects which are common in both the courses. We have very good industry connections and they come and lead and teach in our subjects. There are online programs. The online offerings, if you want to know more about it you should contact the course director, Dr. Gabriela Quintana at this link to know more about the online subject. Online is totally online and it is different from the on-campus subject but all the subjects are accredited by planning an Institute of Australia.

Thank you very much for listening. If you have any questions I'm happy to answer.

I cannot see any questions. In the chat you can see all the links that has been included and...

Speaker 2:

Do you have Commonwealth-supported places?

Sumita Ghosh:

Yeah. There are very few. Are you a local student?

Speaker 2:

Sorry?

Sumita Ghosh:

Sorry, I can't hear.

Yes, there are some Commonwealth-supported places.

I actually cannot hear anything.

Hi, what question do you have?

Speaker 2:

I was wondering what's the latest date I can try to enroll using Commonwealth-supported place?

Sumita Ghosh:

Yeah, you have to apply for the... But I have to contact the... You can contact the student centre because we do not look after that part of the...

Speaker 2:

Oh okay.

Sumita Ghosh:

Yeah. You can contact the student centre, they give you complete, the dates when you need to apply, what sort of applications do you need to put in, everything.

Speaker 2:

Is it most usual that people who are graduate with a Master in Planning that they work in councils doing development approvals? Is it the most usual professional occupation that people have after they graduate in such a course?

Sumita Ghosh:

Yeah. I think, getting the planner's position is very common but it's not limited to only planning positions in the councils. People have worked in Landcom, they have worked in Department of Planning and they also work in different private consultancy farms. It's not that only councils is the main area, there are different industries. The people who come out of Master of Planning can work and different organisations and our students do very well.

Speaker 2:

Yes, because that's one of my goals because I am a planner. I graduated in architecture and planning in Brazil. It's together. It's a five year full time coursework and I have worked with architecture and as well with urban planning because I've been working in a council in Brazil for three years and I migrated here. I arrived a month ago and I've been trying to look for jobs in planning and I have been very unsuccessful. One of the goals for me is to be more prepared to work in the area but as well as doing a master degree that I have always wanted to do in planning or maybe approach urban design perhaps, but mostly the plan, that's my objective.

Sumita Ghosh:

Yeah. I think one question I want to clarify first is that if you are a international student, you won't have the opportunity to apply for Commonwealth supported places. Sorry about that because those are very small number of...

Speaker 2:

I'm PR. I'm permanent resident.

Sumita Ghosh:

Oh, okay. Then you can. Yeah. I just asked you that question, so...

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Sumita Ghosh:

Yeah. That's very good. And then the educational background that you told me, that's perfect for Master of Planning because we get a lot of students from architecture and then they take planning, in fact that's a very common part. And in Master of Planning to Urban Design. The subject is divided into different sort of subject. As I mentioned, that it's a multidisciplinary subject. You will be taking [inaudible 00:17:32], economics, you will be learning, but all related to the practical application of that, application of [inaudible 00:17:42]. It's a very interesting...

Speaker 2:

Yes. I guess, and maybe I'll just do one more question because I didn't really... It was a bit loud. I couldn't understand that this course is quite easily to do while you're working because sometimes you don't have to be on-campus?

Sumita Ghosh:

Yeah. No, you have to be on-campus sometime, some courses. But as I mentioned, it is a very good course in the terms of if you are working, because many of our students, I should say, most of our students work, they have family, they work. This course actually fits in very well with the professionals and the working people because you don't have to come to the university every week and then the two days that you have to come, sometimes it's taught in a hybrid mode such as the workshops are on-campus, maybe some of the lectures are online. You can manage that very easily.

What I have seen over the years that it has been a very good course for the professionals and [inaudible 00:18:58] very, number of professionals taking up this course.

Any other questions?

Here on the chat box you can see, applying for a link, applying for a PG study to UTS. This link actually tells you everything about graduate certificate, sorry, the PG study to UTS. And also you can have a one to one consultation with me, 15 minutes. You can book that if you want to talk to me, I can explain and can answer all your questions.

Any other questions?

Speaker 2:

No. From me, no. Thanks so much.

Sumita Ghosh:

Thank you.

Speaker 2:

Thank you.

Sumita Ghosh:

Any other questions that I can answer in this session?

Speaker 3:

I think if this is it for now. We can just finish this session and if anyone has any other questions, please contact us. We'll be happy to help.

Sumita Ghosh:

Okay. Thank you very much all for coming to this webinar and for your interest.

Leila Moslemi Naeni:

Hello everyone. Good afternoon. We are waiting a few minutes for maybe others if they want to join and then I will start. Thanks for being here on time. Just two more minutes, then I will start. Okay. Maybe we can start now. Good afternoon everyone in Australia or if you're overseas, I don't know, what's your time zone maybe good morning or good afternoon. Anyway, thanks for being here. I'm here to talk about postgraduate of project management with you guys. This is an online event for UTS that we talk about the postgraduate program of project management. I'm Leila Moslemi Naeni, the course director of project management program. Here I'm presenting you some information about our courses, three different courses I will talk about here.

What I'm going to discuss here is about these three courses, master of project management, master of property development and project management and graduate certificate project management. If you are here to know more about these three, you are in the right place. Otherwise, I guess you made a mistake in choosing this session. Before further ado, let's see what I have to tell you. But before that, I would like to do acknowledgement of the country. I would like to acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation, upon land our city campus, UTS' campus is standing. I also would like to pay my respect to elders both past and present and emerging and acknowledging them as the traditional custodian of knowledge of this land. This session, as you've noticed, it's being recorded. We’re just recording the presentation and just this slides, nothing about your name or anything and our purpose of learning and maybe used in the future as an online material for anyone interested. If you don't like to be in this recorded, you can send an email to the email of marketing provided there and we can just ignore the recording of this session.

I have a short presentation for you, maybe around half an hour or something. During that, if you’ve got any question you can use the Q&A button that's under your screen or you can use even the chat box to write your question and we'll get the chance to discuss all the questions after the presentation. Feel free to type anything. If you need any information or you have questions, just use the chat or Q&A for this purpose and we'll get to answer all those questions later. Yes. These three courses that we have, master of project management, graduate certificate of project management and master of proper development and project management. These three courses that we are offering at UTS are delivered by these four key persons in our group, our academic staff. We have Professor Shankar Sankaran, who is the professor of leadership and he teaches different topics on systems thinking, governments, portfolio management and community consulting and internship project.

Shankar is a well-known researcher, academic around the world. So, he is bringing a lot of experience, academic and research experience as well as industry experience to the class. He has experience in engineering and telecommunication from different industries including health and telecommunication. We have associate professor Yongjian Ke, who teaches with us in risk and procurement management and quality management. Yongjian and is an international expert in private-public partnership and procurement management and relational contract. Another professor in our team is Professor Catherine Killen. Catherine is teaching about communication and HR and stakeholder management. Her research is mostly around strategy and portfolio management, decision making, innovation and lots of interesting academic research Kathy has done so far. Myself, Dr. Leila Moslemi Naeni, as I told you at the beginning. I teach time and cost management, topics on scheduling, project benefit management, and earned value management. My research is mostly focused on complexity and applications of data science in project area [inaudible 00:07:20] manage. I also had work experience, industry work experience as a portfolio analyst in construction industry for seven years. It is seven years that I'm with UTS and now I'm course director of this program.

That was about our team. Courses that we are delivering, as I already told you, is including project management. That's the two degrees that we have in project management. One is graduate certificate in project management and the other is master of project management. I will tell you the details of those and how they are different. And then we have another dual discipline option, that is a master of property development and project management. This is another postgraduate degree that has some differences and really interesting characteristics and lots of great learning will happen in property development and project management. Our courses are... all three of these courses that you'll see are accredited by PMI, Project Management Institute. Our project management, master of project management is the first program in whole Australia that's accurate by GAC and PMI. Yes. Project Management Institute, the Global Accreditation Center of that accredited all our programs and our programs of... ensuring we have our highest standards up to date and they're delivering industry relevant education. That's what they are validating about our course.

Also, we have accreditation from Royal Institution of Charter Surveyors, RICS also validated and accredited our program. Also, we have acknowledgement from Australian Institute of Project Management, that is not here in the slides but we have also accreditation from AIPM. All these institutes and many others provide us sponsored prize and scholarships for our good students, students who are performing well in our subjects, PMI providing scholarships and prize. We have internship opportunities by different industry partners that we have, that take our good students for partnership in their programs. Also, we are trying all our best to facilitate our students and our graduates to achieve their career goals. Getting employed with higher salary job and good salary and rewarding career in variety of different industries.

Let's talk about the exact program and what is it about? Graduate certificate of project management is a degree that has four subjects. Just four subject you would do and these are core foundation subjects about project management that you can take all in one semester. So, I'd say roughly half a year, one semester, full-time or if you can do it part-time you can do it in just one year. This is 24 credit points and only four subjects. Once you're done with the graduate certificate, you can decide to continue and get the master or you can say, okay that's enough for now. Maybe I come back later or I'm not going back. That's a graduate certificate in project management.

We also offer master of project management. Master of project management includes 12 subjects. 12 subjects, each six credit points which will be all together 72 credit points. The four subjects, the core subjects are the same as graduate certificate, but after you finish the core subject you have to take one advanced core subject. That's research in project management and also additional seven electives. Elective subjects that you can choose is a list of PM advanced subject and also sub-majors. I will tell you about sub-majors later on, but for now just have in mind that you have capacity to choose between a list of subjects, seven that's more relevant to your area and make more sense for your [inaudible 00:11:53]. This whole things will take two years if you do it part-time. You can opt it out to do it just in one and a half years, if you do it full-time and it can be even shorter than one and a half years because we have between semester subject availability and there is a capacity to just do it even quicker than one and a half years, if you are really interested.

Admission requirement that's important thing to talk about. Admission requirement for graduate certificate and master degree are different. For graduate certificate, what we are asking is either you have a bachelor degree and one year work experience, any industry relevant work experience would be acceptable or if you don't have a bachelor degree you still can apply and get admission for graduate certificate if you have a minimum of five years relevant work experience. This is a degree that you don't need to have any academic or university background. You can just join with your work experience. This is quite popular for people from industry and having good work experience, just want to expand on their knowledge and have some academic recognition. Once you do the graduate certificate, people after graduating, they can choose to continue to master and continue the master. Other than that, you can just join a master from the beginning, if you have a bachelor degree with a one year work experience. That's one year work experience is required a minimum for everyone or if you don't have a bachelor but completed the graduate certificate, as I said that's also accepted.

If you have this entry requirements, you need to just submit a personal statement about why you want to do this subject and how it is relevant to your career and what you so far know about the project. If you have a work experience, what you've done and things like that. And then we need a CV from you as a part of your application. And of course, proof that work experience is met. We need a reference from your employer, reference letter from your employer that says that the work experience was this and that and how long you had those experience. These are that admission requirement for the two degrees, two courses that we have.

It's very typical question that we get from this kind of meeting is about the background of our students. Project management topics that we are talking in this course is a general knowledge and general skills that can be employed in different area of project management. So, regardless of what industry you are coming from, you will still need to understand how to manage people, how to make the communication effectively, how to make contract works. This is what we are teaching in the blanket of project management. Talking about project contracts in general, not just construction or a different area, not engineering only. For that reason, we have variety of students joining our program. All of these people are really looking into being project manager in their own industry. This is a kind of slide that we are showing that shows how these people are usually split out between different industry.

[inaudible 00:15:43] still the huge... the biggest part of our students from construction industry but we also have from engineering, education, IT health, nonprofit architecture and just recently we are having lots of attentions from health and nurses and medical staff and had dentists and policeman in my classes. So, project management has become more popular and we have more variety of different students from different disciplines in our courses, which is great. Great to share experience and talk to different people and different way of thinking and approaching problems so fantastic. Another important note about our program is that we have a government funding available that is Commonwealth Supported Places, which is called CSP Places. This is a discount on the fee that you are paying. This is only for local students. The way it is just designed, this is limited number, not huge number, but people who get this will have some discount in the fee that they are paying.

How they are deciding on this based on the GPA of your previous study. If you had a bachelor degree, regardless of which university or when it has happened, they are looking at your GPA. If you do the graduate certificate with us and then move to the master, then they look at your GPA from graduate certificate. The procedure is so simple and that's how it is being used. We have also international scholarship. Many of the students joining our program are being successful in achieving different scholarship from university, from their own country, from different things available to us. So, discounts and reduced fee available for international but that's not something I'm aware of details so I'm not sharing any information on that. You can probably find out more about that from the people that receive our admissions and anyhow, you don't need to do anything special.

There's an international students who wants to apply. There's nothing you should do for a scholarship. They already consider you and evaluate you for the scholarship. That's the good point. A little bit more about details of our subjects, what we are delivering. The core subjects that I told... the four core subject that graduate certificates should do are these items listed here. They first learn about communication and HR and stakeholder management. We also talk about project risk, procurement and quality in our subject. We have a specific subject on time and cost management that is also included in graduate certificate. And also, we talk about scope and integration. All these four subjects are core. Everyone, all master and graduate certificate students have to take these subjects.

For master students, there is one other advanced core subject that is, advances in project management. This is a research topic that they have to take but then they have electives. This is the list of elective subject that we are offering. Most of them, once a year happening, sometimes more than one. You can pick between these things. You need just to select seven of these elective subjects. Seven of these, plus one core, plus four all together is 12. By completing 12 subject you will achieve the master of project management.

This is our own project management advanced topics that are just taught by the team, the academic team that I introduced to you earlier. This is about risk management, system thinking, leadership, governance, negotiation, all really advanced, important topics that people may choose or not choose because of the carrier goal they have. Someone may need just to know about the contracts because of the carrier or their interests or maybe opt out to do the innovation subject. So, decision of which one works better for you is yours. But what we also have is this option for doing the sub-majors. We have four different sub-majors available for you. What you can do in sub-major is that you can take four subjects from the sub major. If you are sure that I'm going to stay in construction industry and construction industry is my goal and I'm not going to move, then you are able to pick four subjects from construction. We have a list of construction topics that you can pick between those.

Meaning that you are not taking PM advanced topic or taking less PM advance topic, three instead of seven and choose four of that from the sub-major. It can be in construction, property development, data science and business. There is a big list of business subjects in sub-majors that you can pick. If someone is working in marketing and still want to do project management, but want to know about it to marketing from academic in UTS, so they can use... These subject in sub-majors are delivered by different faculties. So, it's a collaboration between our faculty, our program and the other faculties just in order to provide further opportunity for our students to learn what they are really interested in rather than fixing them in project management because we know that you can be project manager in any industry and knowing about industry might be very important for your career.

That is how it is designed. The data sciences are newest sub-major that is being available just from 2023, so you will be the first group of students that see that in this handbook. But it is talking about data science practice, big data engineering, visualization and decision making. We just added this recently because we thought that this is a new area that project managers need for the future. Other than these sub-majors, if you come back to us and say okay, I'm working at local government and I need another local government knowledge and there is a subject that's from a different school but I'm so interested on that, we can also let them swap one or two subject and choose from different schools and different programs. That's another flexibility that we are providing if the area of your work is not included in the sub-major.

That was about the structure of our program. The way that we are delivering our courses is block. Block mode is the way that we are delivering subject. Usually, there are four full days of classes, so four full days we need you to attend the class and during that there will be lectures, tutorials, assignment, group work and things like that. Very intense for four full days. And then there is another pre-block activity. Usually, self-study and material will be provided to you and you do a pre-workshop assignment. 10 to 20% pre-workshop work, 30 to 40% during the workshop, during the block and then post-block there is another revision, individual assignment 40 to 60%. This is the typical way our program is designed. Our subjects are working like that. Roughly, we can say for each subject we need around 150 hours to do the thing. Some time for attending the class, about 30 hours for sitting in the class and doing the workshop assignment. But the rest would be other assignments and pre self-study, post self-study and other stuff.

Our four days classes are sometimes happening on weekend. We have a few subject running Saturday, Sunday, block weekend and maybe just two days block on weekend. We have other two days block running during the week. Tuesday, Wednesday, Tuesday, Wednesday, some sometime during the semester. Also, we have several... mostly our blocks are Monday to Thursday. So, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, four consecutive days, morning till afternoon, evening you can say, you need to attend the class. This is our blocks and blocks are face-to-face, interactive and needs your attendance. That was all about master project management and graduate certificate of project management.

The other course that we have at UTS is called master of property development and project management. This is a dual degree and has 96 credit points which is 16 subjects and takes two years if you want to do it full-time. This is a very good option for international students who wants to stick for any working visa after their graduation. This two years degree is combined from property development and project management. It's more like for one year, you do the property development subjects, some core, some advanced core subject. And then one year, we are with project management program, do the core project management subjects and some electives. Topics that you see in the proper development side are property development process, property development feasibility and modeling, valuation methodology, property transactions, group project A, something about urban renewal and market risk analysis.

These are the eight subjects that all these students in this dual degree have to take. Not much place to really elect or choose the subject. But in project management side, you would do four foundation subject and four advanced topics that you can select between the available advanced PM subjects. The option of sub-major is not really available for the degree because they have limited time to do the project management, that's the reason. For entering the master of property development and project management, the admission is you need a bachelor degree in a relevant area including architecture, building, engineering, management, commerce, law, economy and many others as well. We have students accepted from art, from science because they all doing relevant job and it makes more sense for them to just do the dual degree. At least this [inaudible 00:27:50] are just to name a few.

If you don't have a bachelor degree and one year work experience, you can enter this program or if you don't have a bachelor degree you might start doing the graduate certificate even in project management or property development and then be ready to do the master study. Similar to the other program, for this one we need also another statement of purpose, why you want to do this program and the CV and experience letters and that would be enough for entering this program. By that I guess that's the end of my presentation. This is my email address here, Leila.MoslemiNaeni@uts.edu.au. I can put it in the chat as well. If you have any questions or want to know any more information you can contact me or can contact the administration office that we have the DAB communication. They can also help you with anything relevant to these projects, any time later. But rather than waiting for the future maybe now I can look and answer your questions.

Okay. This is good. We have questions here. We can look into that and start having some conversation. Okay. The first question, if you complete the graduate certificate, is it then just two years further study part-time to complete the masters? You do the graduate certificates, I don't know full-time or part-time, but imagine you do the graduate certificate full-time, it is half a year. And then to get the master you need to do one more year full-time. But if you want to do the course part-time, another two years. If you do it all part-time, it takes you two years all together two years, or if you do it all full-time it's one and a half years. I am not sure if I answered that enough or if you have any other question just maybe open your speaker or write it there. I'm not sure if you can open your speaker and talk but use the option. Irina, can they open the speaker and talk to us?

Speaker 2:

They can raise their hands.

Leila Moslemi Naeni:

Okay, you raise hands then.

Speaker 2:

I can allow them.

Leila Moslemi Naeni:

And we can allow you to talk if you want to clarify anything? How many four-day blocks per semester or year are there? All our blocks are four days. Everything's on four days. Just one subject, one subject is running on six evenings, six three hours, six to nine evening classes, just one subject. Others are four day block. That four days might be two, two days block or one four days block. So, they are all the same. For each subject, if you are working you need to just think about four days of leave. There are subjects running on weekend and we are trying to keep this subject to stay on weekend. But to be on the safe side, it would be good to imagine that for each subject that you take each year, you might need to be ready to take some leave or arrange leave paid leave or unpaid leave from your workplace to join the classes.

Yeah. Again, if I haven't answered you, please raise hand and ask again. About the tuition fee... Okay. Maybe another question. Martina, thanks for adding. Four days leave per semester. Four days leave per subject. If you do it full-time, you have four subjects. Four times four is 16 days. This is full-time. If to do part-time we need to do two subjects per semester and that's going to be eight days of leave. You need to four days for each subject. That's the thing. The other question from Nishaad. Nishaad is asking, "Any idea about tuition fees per semester?" I can tell just an idea. A rough idea. I just told another interested student yesterday. For our program, if you do it full-time you need roughly around 15,000 per semester. For one semester 15,000 and the whole program that is three semesters full-time, would be 45K. That's the rough tuition fee, I guess. I don't have the information in my head about the CSP or other scholarship but that would be cheaper with CSP and having a scholarships.

Perfect. It seems that it seems that Martin question is answered. Let's move to the chat, see whether you have any questions there. Okay. Nothing in the chat. The chat information is about our program. Irina put us here the link to our program from the handbook, all the information about project management course and the email address from DAB communication. I can put my email address here as well in case any of you want to have further communication later on. Yes, this is my email. If you have any problem or any question, you can simply contact me later on as well. This is our full course and we are doing our best to provide our students, as I said, with information and knowledge they need for joining the industry and working here in Australia in different industries. We had a pretty good feedback on that. Most of our students while they are graduating, we are asking them to fill out a survey and asking about the employment and how much they're receiving, a rough idea about their salary and it has recorded amazing and I'm so surprised with the employability of our students.

That might be a good investment for someone who already has a job and wants to think about the promotion or something in the future, for a move between different carriers, different people joining us with different goals and ideas. We have another question here from Nishaad asking, I have completed the Bachelor of Civil from UTS. Well done. Any chance to get any... Yes, why not? We love that. That's a very good question. Thanks, Nishaad. We have a thing called recognition of prior learning. Recognition of prior learning needs you to come with a form. You need to come with a form saying that I did a subject on that topic or I have experience, this is something I do at job, I am a scheduler, I do all the scheduling of these projects and these are the records of what I did and these are what I need do. And this is example of sample of my work. Because of all my knowledge, I don't need to do this subject.

We take this and evaluate that and assess this and we can come up with saying that, okay, you don't need to just do this and that subject, based on your previous study. Like doing civil engineering at UTS. We have a very formalized way of recognition of prior learning for our bachelor of construction project management students. So, we know what they are doing. They have been with us for a long time so recognition of prior learning for them is just so straightforward. It's already in our system. But for civil engineering from UTS, for civil engineering from Sydney Uni, we have that applications many in the past and it can happen. We just need to look at the subjects that we have, all these subjects, what you have done in your bachelor, we can do that together and then put your outline. This is what I did assignment and this is what we are asking, so they are matching and then we make a decision based on that.

Okay. That seems to be resolved. Can I do one subject per term? Yes or no. It is something you need to negotiate. In the past, let's say in 2019 before all these crazy COVID came to us, it was not possible. We were asking to subject per semester. And then the COVID hit and we had many new students overseas and many of students here that really not comfortable to do online, not comfortable to come to face-to-face classes and everything all of a sudden changed. So, doing one subject per semester is negotiable. It is not a normal routine that you can do all semesters but if it's in the semester that you have some job change or family issues or family thing, you can request to do one subject per semester. Better to not do it because then it takes so long to finish it.

The other option is just doing subject between semester or still have some progress. We have subjects offering during summer, subject in November when semesters finished or subject in February. We have also subject running in July between the other semesters. These are helping to reduce and balance your workload during the semester. It's still not delaying your courses [inaudible 00:38:38]. Short answer to one subject per semester, you need to request and provide reason and it may or may not be accepted. This is not usually allowed. I hope that's clear. Next session. Next session. This is our program. Like every other postgraduate program that's happening at UTS, you can apply anytime. Applications are open. I guess, the semester start of autumn 2023. So, for next autumn, starting in next February, March, we are accepting application. And I already offered a few and we had enrollment started but the classes and the semester will start next year.

So, next autumn you can start and you can put your application in time this year or if you want to wait or see the options, you can also wait. But the last day that we accept application is somewhere in early February if I'm correct. Irina, plea help me here. I'm not sure exactly when is the last day for application but still it's open and we are evaluating and giving responses, mainly because of the international students who need to apply for visa. It's very important for them. I forgot to ask in the beginning, how many you guys are in Australia or International, but international students, if anyone here please apply as early as you can because the visa process can get long. And then you need to also put your application sometimes, as it sounds easy, a few documents you need, it might be a little while for you to just fit and provide the documentation that we need. So, the university make it back to you asking for more documentation. And then to have a good working application, that needs also some time. That's about application process.

If you have any other question, please add or raise your hands. Anything else you would like to discuss. Oh, one good thing I just remember to tell you a very, very new information I just received this morning is that from next year, we got the budget to have PMI membership and it is even new for Irina. Irina, from next year all our project management of students, graduate certificate students and dual degree students will have a PMI membership, a student membership to PMI. PMI is a institute, as I said, Project Management Institute is an international body that's accredited our program and just running all the business around project management and providing tons of educational stuff and research stuff and running all this professional body.

The membership provides you access to lots of information, lots of data and many, many templates and learning stuff. So, by just joining our program, it's fantastic that you can just learn tons of more other things from PMI. You can get that membership of PMI, everyone can just purchase that. But from next year, from everyone commencing in 2023, we will provide that for free for all students. That is something that we need to add to our handbook and maybe pass the information to other students later on as well. Okay. I guess that's all I have prepared to tell you today. Is there any other question you would like to ask here? Someone raised hand. Okay. Now, I can give you my permission to talk, yes here. Please, please talk to us. You need to unmute. Should I [inaudible 00:42:54]. Yes please.

Speaker 3:

I was just asking, because I'm toying between doing the full-time or the part-time for project management. That's why I was asking about how many days. It's a day per subject, is what you're saying?

Leila Moslemi Naeni:

Yes, yes.

Speaker 3:

Okay. Then you're saying, if there's 16 subjects I have to allow 16 days in that year.

Leila Moslemi Naeni:

12 subject. Do you want to do the dual degree or project management subject?

Speaker 3:

The masters, is what I'm more interested in.

Leila Moslemi Naeni:

Master of Project management is 12 subject.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. So, how many days, is that 12 days?

Leila Moslemi Naeni:

12 times four means 48 days for whole program. Many of that will be weekend but I'm not promising which one will be weekend. If you want to plan, just ignore that it is happening in weekend. There will be weekend subjects and there will be evening subject that you probably don't need to take leave for, six to nine. But yeah, that's the rough idea. 12 subjects, each taking four days and 48 days in total. That's the rough [inaudible 00:44:13].

Speaker 3:

Just taking four days, yeah. Okay.

Leila Moslemi Naeni:

The decision between full-time and part-time, it's not required to be taken at the beginning. You can start with whatever fits your idea and then change to whatever you want. Some people choose to do three subjects, that is totally fine. One semester, you might do two and the other semester do four, take one subject between semester. So, everyone take their own pace. We are not fixing and we are not counting who is doing full-time or part-time. That's the thing. You can just apply and the entry requirements are the same. So, it might be better for you to leave the decision for each semester. Okay. Anyone else would like to have a question or have a go? Okay. Irina, is there anything you would like to say here?

Speaker 2:

No, that's it. I'm afraid we're running out of time. If anyone has any questions, please email us after this session.

Leila Moslemi Naeni:

Okay. There is no other questions and already a few people just left. Maybe we can close this down and just use the email please, if you got any further questions and be in touch with us. I'm available to any face-to-face chat at university or online consultation if you need it. Anyhow, thanks for your time, for being here. It was nice to have you on board and I hope we answered all your questions. Yes. Looking forward to meeting you in-person in our classes and see you later. Thanks, Irina for being here. Maybe we can conclude this session now.

Janet Ge:

Get the planning. You will get the planning to provide the joins and design for what we are going to build. Then, you will going to submit for the land approval and once you get the approval by the government local councils, development councils, and then you are going to do the constructions and working with builders. And then, you are going to hand over or sell the property or the build to rent arrangements or management of properties so this is a whole development process.

Apart from the detailed constructions, right? All this process, the knowledge and skills required for the development process will be included. So in these programs, you will learn the specialized knowledge in what is the property development process and whether this development is feasible. So you will learn the feasibility and modeling skills and you will know that the environmental requirements for building this, for the total development which is say, where you can build? How high will be the building you can build? And are you going to build in the industrial or commercial or residential? What are the environmental requirements? The floor spatial ratios, and so on.

You will also learn the variations and methodology. So when you are doing the development, you would like to know, what is the land value? Did you pay too much, right? And then, after you build on these buildings, you'd like to know what are the value of this building or what are the value of their properties. Most importantly for the developer, as a major role, is looking for the finance. So not all of us can just take out all the cash to build a whole commercial building, industrial building, right? We need to know where to get the money, where to get the funds.

Are they going through equity or are they going through debts? So what are the risks involved with the whole development process and what are the risks of the markets? So whether there will be impacts on the developments, cash flows, and what are the risks for the finance, right? All this knowledge will be part of the contents in different subjects.

So during the study, you will also have some acknowledges in the property development cycles and then you will also understand the different stakeholders positions, who are involved with the property development process. So benefit of taking these subjects, right? You got three perspective.

One is, you will understand the knowledge involved in this program which is the whole development process. Secondly, through the learning, you will understand the access to the projects which is in the industry practice. So many subjects, right? We have the... Using the projects to real-life projects for students' assignments for example like property development finance. We're using the Boral's Prospect Quarry at the Greystanes residential project for students' assignments. So students know some insights and then the real-life project for your work so you understand how the theoretical knowledge they can apply into the real-life projects.

And then, you can also build on some networks. So half of the subjects will be teach by the partner lectures so you can have a connection with the partner lectures who are also practice in the real industries and you can also make the connection with the students in a classroom with you and who are the various and engineers to planners, architectures and or in the different industry. So you can building on the connections, as a developer actually your major role is going to working on different stakeholders, you need to know who are the valuers, right? You need to ask them to value the land, value the properties you build and you need to know the builders and they in the construction. So therefore in subcontract you actually you need to find out who can actually build for you. You need to working on with the planner and who we are going to show you how to, what kind of building to be built and then some kind of joints.

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So you need to working with the architects and so on. So they are the people you will like to know them and after you have done this course, what you can do? So, you basically right developer is the one you actually, you can work in the other area as well because you can expand the knowledge to in different area as well like the other advisors and assistant developers and valuers and planners and market analysis. We have also got the double degree say master probably development and planning, mass development and project management, mass development and investments. So that will allow you to go into different disciplines after you do the studies.

Now we talk looking in all the details about this course. We got the Property Development Graduate certificate, we got the diploma in the Property Development and then we got the Masters for the Master degree we got the two parts. One is you can just go to directly for the Master Development, therefore you have a four electives. You can select any subjects you are interested in. So if you wanted to be a master of proper development have a Valuation Submajor so that four elective subjects you will select you will be dedicate for the required variation subjects that will allow you to have academically qualify as a CPV once you finish your Master of Probably Development course.

So, that is some kind of difference I will explain to you later on. And you can also extend the course to the double degrees like planning, investment and project management. So, that is another options you can do. So basically one and a half is full time. If you extend to the double degree that means they give you two years or a little bit more to get double degrees.

So some details in here, if you are doing the graduate certificates in probably development you are required to do this full core subjects Validation Methodology, Development Process, Property Transactions and the Feasibility and Modeling that require the half year full time. All you can do in the one year and part time we supposed two subjects per semester and if you are doing the graduate diploma and you are required to do the Graduate certificate for core subjects plus, additional two core subjects which is Planning Environmental Law and Property Development Finance and then two elective subjects total of eight subjects. So that's a four in here, two in the core subjects plus two elective subjects.

So if you are doing the normal Master Property Development course so you that two elective subject can select anywhere any other post-graduate level subjects. But if you are doing the Validation Submajor, you have to be careful these two elective subjects, you must select the evaluation subjects that will allow you to complete the subjects when you finish the master degree in the minimum time which is one and half years.

So for the Master degree, Master of Property Development that is that full subjects from the graduate certificate plus this two from the graduate diploma and plus another two core subjects from the master course and plus the two full electives, total 12 subjects. But if you can see that, doesn't matter you are enrolling graduate certificate or diploma. They will helping you to achieve the master degree later on as long as you complete all the core subjects here and they will have four electives for you to select. That is either from other postgraduate level subjects or the valuation majors here.

Okay. So this is about the course structures and all course is accredited by the ICS and API and then so that also the subjects you are doing in the graduate certificate will be also automatically accredited if you move on to the diploma or the master development course through the internal course transfer, not the new applied degree but the internal course transfer for example, you are enrolled in graduate certificate then by the end of the semester and then you can apply the internal course transfer to the graduate diploma or the master course.

Then all the subjects you study from the graduate certificate there will automatically transfer to your new course which is the graduate diploma or the master degrees. So that is the credit subject to the new course and the course structure where I really talked about and previously and total of eight core subjects for the Master of Property Development and four elective subjects.

So total takes you about one and half year full time. So if you are doing the part-time is double the time, okay? So, that takes you two to three years to complete the full course using the part-time. So we expect full-time students, full subject for each semester or we got the three semesters one half years if you can do it probably because some of the stuff you offer in June or July you might be able to take up two subjects and some subject in summer. So you might be take off and taking more subjects during the summer and June and July they will shorten your study period.

So our Master of Property Development Course and Graduate Certificate, Graduate diploma in Property Development course are accredited by the RCIS and API and Property Council. So this is the details for the variation majors. If you are doing the master property development course, you will presume the CPV which is the Certified Practicing Valuer and you are required to complete this full subjects and plus the master Property Development core subjects. So for the valuation methodology Development Visibility Modeling, these two subjects have already been included in the core subjects.

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So for these two, Land Acquisitions, Statutory Valuations and Litigations and Investment Property Evaluation, these two subjects you must do it in selected for your electives otherwise right, you will not be able to qualify as a Valuation Submajors . So for our course and for the master property development course, so we will be qualified for CPP, Certified Property Practitioner. CPV if you fulfill this requirements and then CTP and then the RPV.

So if you can see out here, so that indicates that most probably development course you are qualified for this four if you're doing the CPV subjects or if you are doing the graduate diploma, we are qualified for CDP and CPP. So the details you can through these links, right? And from the API links and they are the elective subjects you can select if you are not dedicated to CPV, some major, right?

So they have Managements and Constructions Electives, Planning Electives, Project Management Electives or some kind of Finance Elective as well and Investment subjects as well. So they a range of subjects. So global probably trend is for you to, if you want to go to the overseas right next we start maybe next year and see if a COVID not restricted. So that's for the overseas travel.

The subject delivery, we have lectures, we got the tutorial, we got the computer labs and we also have the workshops in already, depends on the subject, they are not your needs. So each subject have a different delivery modes and deliver arrangements. Basically it's we are mainly focused on problem based learning and situations like the computer, like you doing the visibility and modeling, you will be working on computer or you're doing the Property Development Financing, we're working on the computer, we will show you step by step how you're doing the modeling.

That modeling means that, so if you are using the software and like state masters, you may be input some of the numbers and they will show you some results. However, what is something behind the softwares that you through learning the modeling you will understand what are the theory, how the software works right behind that.

That help you to understand the feasibility and then how you're going to look at the change of variable that will impact on decisions. So this course is designed for the full-time job students. Therefore, we mainly organized for the block mode, we're talking about is normally two [inaudible 00:18:15], three blocks. The block indicates that we usually deliver in Thursday evening, Friday holiday and Saturday holiday.

So for each of the subject you will have a two blocks, maybe two Thursday evening, two Friday and two Saturday to complete the face to face or the delivery And you will, other time is students group works or you're doing self readings or doing some assignments. So some of the section will be online like lecture. There can be say just putting online and recorded or delivery and others like the workshops and projects and computer labs that will be face to face, really depends on the subject matters, right?

Different subject have a different arrangement. For the Property Developments and the salary range if you have a job from that is from this link and 12 October 20 22. And this shows the 70,000 to 130,000. This about the range and average is come from the 90 to 111,000. This is a salary range from that, if you are the valuer for some student maybe come from overseas, you want to apply for migrations. So that value as code is 224512. And that is the class, the category you can apply for the migrations.

So that is one of the salary information and for details, applications, how you can qualify or eligible for the entrance for the master degree. Basically if you have UTS recognized bachelor degree in the following [inaudible 00:20:33] for example, Architecture Buildings, Engineering, Management and Commerce or Business, Law, Economics and Econometrics. So you should be eligible to do the master degree course or if you have a complete degree diploma in Property Development with a credit above average.

So you can do in the internal course transfer to the master degree or you can do it like the greater diploma in Construction Management course. You can also get into the Master course.

For the graduate diploma you will be required to present the bachelor's degree or equivalent, which is UTS recognized, graduate certificates, a credit average above marks. And then the Graduate Certificate in Property Development is the same. You can do the gradual internal transfer to the diploma course. If you have done the Graduate Certificate in Planning, you can also come into this course because some of the subjects is shared between the Planning and the Developments.

And if you got the Graduate Certificate in Construction Project Management and project management, you can also come into the graduate diploma course. For the graduate certificate, the course is designed for the students who have not actually in this property industry, purpose you are in the business or you are in the industry engineering. So you are going to the graduate certificate first to understand the course. So therefore you are required to submit a series and then as well as you are required to submit a statement to justify why you needed to study the Graduate Certificate in Property Development course. This will be assessed individually, case by case.

Some students ask about the fees previously. So in UTS, if you go into Google, you just type UTS fees, then you'll be able to get to this page and then you will type in the post, select the postgraduate domestic students, overseas students, year of studies, [inaudible 00:23:30] and then the code. Then you'll be able to finding out the fees. The fees in 2023, that should be the 695 per credit points, for the master degree, you are required to total 72 credit points per semester, $16,675, right? That's about the fees.

For this is the web links. If you want to finding out more information about the postgraduate course in the properly development, you're just going to using this link. Okay?

If you have a further information you want to ask, you can send me an email or you can go to our marketing teams, they will refer you to me. You can have a one on one check, which is normally on Wednesday afternoon, 4:00 PM to 5:00 PM So I can ask you questions. So I'm looking after the Master Probably Development and Master of Real Estate Investment course. So you can always contact me and if you want to ask more questions.

 Okay, this is end of my presentation and then I will look at the any Q&A questions. So Arina, should I stop sharing or the go directly to the Q&A questions?

Speaker 2:

Yes, please just stop sharing and check the Q&A box cause we have a few questions there.

Speaker 1:

I see. Okay. Let's see. So the first questions is, "How many formal and informal hours estimate approximately per subject?" So for every subject, right? And face to face context usually about 32 to 38 hours, which is the formal hours, right? 32 to 38 hours. And then informal hours, which is you are working with students for the assignments and you have group meetings or you are required to do the prior learning. So before the class you might have a readings and chapter readings that will depend on the time, how fast you read in the chapters. And so your mind requires to do some mock research for your assignments. That also depends on how much time you involve, but for the formal hours it's 32 to 38 hours. So I hope you have answered your questions.

"What is the total cost for the Certificate Graduate Diploma Masters?" So I have actually already show you the costing. So for each subject we got the six credit, six credit points. So for each credit point it's 695 for 2023. So you're just using the 695 times, six credit points, which is the per subject for graduate certificates, which is the full subjects. So is four times six, it's 24 credit points. So you're using 24 credit points to times $695, that will give you the grade certificate.

And for the grade diploma you're using the 48 credit points times the 695, for the math that use 72 credit points times the 695. Okay? So I hope they answer your questions. "What is the intern requirements for graduate certificates?" So graduate certificates, right? We are designed for the students who do not, maybe they do not have bachelor degree, who maybe they got the five years working experience in the same industry, Property Industry and maybe they are in the business.

So the injury requirement is assessed case by case. So you need to give a CV and then also the justifications for why you need to do this course. But if you are working in the property industry with five years working experience in the Property related industry, therefore you have a great chance to get into the program. But if you work in the business, you all and all the Economics related or Planning and Project Managements and Constructions Engineering. So therefore you also will have a chance to get into the graduate certificate course. But if you say you are nurse, you want to come into this course, right? You already need to justify why you need to come into this course. Okay, Any other questions? Let's look at it.

Okay, we got overseas student from Nigeria. "I have a higher national diploma in the Real Estate Management and chapter social members and Nigerian institutions." And so yes, so if you have diploma in the Real Estate Management, but this one should be the UTS recognized the diploma course. So you can go into do the master course and, "can I add the master diary to Master Pro?" Yeah, you can apply to the Master Property Development course, but this diploma must be a UTS recognized degree. Okay? So whether UTS recognized degree. So this can be assessed by when you apply to the master course. So our student center recruitment team, they will assess your qualification and otherwise ask whether this your diploma is recognized by the UTS, so you can apply.

"Please send the record this webinar since." Okay, marketing may be following out these questions. So any other questions that I can answer? Any more questions? So, since that I have addressed in my presentation all your questions already. So if you have a further questions, please do contact our marketing team and they should maybe provide you a link to contact or you can make appointment to have a one-on-one check on Wednesday or you can send me email to ask for the questions. Okay. Thank you very much for your time to attending this information. And is any more questions? No.

"Okay, good info. Thank you." Thank you. You're welcome to join this evening section and looking forward your applications. Thank you very much. Good.

Janet Ge:

This webinar is about half hour so I try my best to go through the information I provided. Then you can ask the questions afterwards. And if there is not enough time, you can always send an email to our marketing officer or you send an email to me. Or alternatively, you can come to meet with me one by one on Wednesday evening 4:00 to 5:00 and we can have a one to one discussions on your questions.

Firstly, I would like to acknowledge of country, like to acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation upon whose ancestral lands our city campus now stands. I would also like to pay respects to Elders both past and present, acknowledging them as the traditional custodians of knowledge for this land.

This presentation will be recorded. If you have any questions about this evening's session, and you can send an email later on or just type it in the chat box. Or you just put it in on the chat box and I answer you straight away. This information section is about the Master of Real Estate Investment and the Master of Real Estate Development and Investment, which is a double degree.

And for the single degree and this course involve with investments as the name of the course, mainly deal with investment. Any investments require knowledge and tools require theories involved with investment will be include in this course. The topic such as say investment feasibilities, valuing the investments properties, some kind of valuation methods. And how to finance the investments and then how a firm managers works. What are the portfolios, is the structures? What are the risk involve in the investment activities? How to manage those risk. Therefore the knowledge will be included in this course.

And the double degree course, which you can see from the name, property development, a portion of the course will be the probably development knowledge. For example, property development process, you will understand how the development is start with the land acquisitions design and candidates and working with the contractors. Get the finance done and do the development, sales, or manage the properties. This part of the knowledge you will also learn in the double degrees on top of the investment portfolios, rules of the trust, equities, capital investments, that sort of knowledge.

And the Master of Real Estate Investment course structure employ full-time or part-time studies. If you are doing the full-time mode studies, you will expect one and a half years to complete the course, which is the four subjects for each semester. And the total of 12 subjects, in which 10 subjects are core subjects and two subjects are electives. If you are doing part-time, then just double up the time span, timeframe. It takes about three years. However, if you are taking some of the elective between June or July or December, then you will shorten the learning period.

This is a typical full-time one and a half year studies course structure. If you enroll, say start from autumn semester, then you will take four subjects in autumn, another four subjects in spring. And follow in the final half year, you take three core and one elective in autumn.

If you can see the subjects involve capital market, financial management, feasibility studies, transactions and portfolios, is asset allocations, economics, equities, managements, valuations. There are the typical core structures you will expected. And if you start with the spring, then the similar structure but just some of the subject runs once a year. You just have to be careful when you are doing the enrollments.

And you will select two electives which is you can come from this group of electives post-grads courses. And if you are doing the double degree, so that will involve totally 12 core subjects and four electives. And if you're doing the full-time, it's the same, four subjects per semester. And then if you're doing the part-time, it takes about four years.

Basically, additional four subjects are required for the double degree. From the single degree is one and a half years. Now double degree, which is two years. That things are quite economically for you finish the double degree in this two years. The reason is that the elective you select can select the Master of Property Development subjects. That will allow you to shorten the time to complete the course. Also, two subjects in the Master of Real Estate Investment also come from the core subject of property development. This is allow you to complete this double degree even two years time.

And here is the typical course structure for full-time students. You will have a development process and validation methodology, property market risk analysis, planning and environment law that deal with the development and what type of the property you can develop inside what is the environmental requirement for the development course. You can see that on the final year you will complete the four, the core subjects for the Master of Real Estate Investment course.

For the double degree, the course has been accredited by the RICS, Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyor, Australian Property Institution and Property Council Australia. For the next year, we are intended to apply for accreditation for the Master of Real Estate Investment for RICS and API. The API now is working on the certification for the farm managers. I'm one of the member involved with the discussion topics in this certification. Once the API have complete the certifications, then our course will be accredited by the API as well.

For the course delivery, the picture seems so many people but for our course in the investment, we do not have that many students in this program. And in the typical class size, perhaps 30 to 50 for the first year, especially for the property development subjects. For the property investment subjects, sometimes you can see about roughly 15 to 20 students or sometimes about 20 to 30 students.

The learning basically, you will focus on the problem-based learning and the lectures they come from the industry. About 80, 90% of lectures come from the industry. They will share with you the life experience and problems. And share with the knowledge and the skill to solve or tackle the issues. And for some of the subjects have a computer labs. For example, you doing the feasibility studies and finance, you will have a modeling class. You would be develop the DCF modeling skill to make the investment of feasibility decisions or the valuation decisions.

And the teaching mode, usually the block mode. And the block mode is means that normally it is about five days or four days. These five days includes a five Saturdays or the Friday, Saturday, Friday, Saturday days are a typical two blocks. Or sometimes will the Thursday evening, Friday and Saturday full day for the two blocks for the repeat twice this mode.

The course is designed for the full-time employment students. Therefore, most of the subjects running weekends. And currently, we are using the face-to-face teaching mode. If there is a COVID situation, we will come to the online mode. But for some of the lecture may doing the online mode and workshops and tutorials, computer lab will be the face-to-face.

And however, like feasibility some of using the pre-recorded so you can learn over, over again for the modeling skills online. Different subject have a different delivery situations. After you complete this course of why you're going to do it basically, it's fund manager. And you're doing the financial analyst, invest managers, valuers advisors, financial advisors, market analyst. You can working for the unit trust managers, financial investments advisor. Things involved with the finance investments and capital investments, investment decisions that will working in this area.

The jobs for, I just find the one, farm managers jobs in Australia, there is the typical salary range for the farm managers or investment managers, the salary range for each year. If you wanted to come in, apply to this program, you are required to show the evidence about a bachelor degree, that UTS recognized bachelor degree or equivalents. And usually, we'll require the academic transcript and that demonstrate you have a credit levels or above. And in the economics and land economics, construction and properties and business finance investments that relate area.

There are also some English requirements if you no local students apply to this course. The recognized Master degree, as well we talking about is related to the properties finance and commercial economics. If you do not have that business or finance and investment related, the area, you need to provide justifications, a letter to justify why you need to do this course. And you might also require to provide a CV and to demonstrate your work experience in the relate investment or property area. And that will be specially assessed by the faculty to assess whether you are able to come into this program.

Some student will ask what are the fees? How much do I need to pay? Oops. How much do I need to pay for this course? For you can actually find out this information from the UTS website. By if you are the domestic students, you just Google up for the UTS fees. Then they will lead you to this page. Then domestic student tuition fees. And you can type in postgraduate domestic coursework for 2023 via the design, architecture buildings faculty. And this is the course code. Then they will shows you the per credit point 742 and per fees per section is 17,785. There is the link you can also check.

And for the program and then the handbook, you can go to this website to finding out the detail of each of the subject, what are they delivering, what are the main topics. And some details of the learning objectives and then what they call, we say the graduate attributes. If you have a further information and that is beyond to this presentation, you can always contact me. My email address, xinjanet.ge@uts. Or you can contact our marketing officer, Irena. And I believe she will provide you an email address so you can send the email to the marketing team. They will reply to you.

Alternatively, as mentioned at the beginning of this presentation, so you can make the one-to-one, the chat with me on every Wednesday, 4:00 to 5:00. And this end of my presentation. If you have any questions, you are welcome to raise up on Q&As or the chat area. Let's look at the Q&A for now. What is the difference between Master Rules and Master Difference? Okay, so the difference between Master of Real Estate Investment and then Property Development. This is two different industries and for the property development you will focus on development.

That development means that you need to going to find the site to assess though what are the site to develop the, for example, industrial property. And which locations and the size of the sites. And whether the size select is suitable for the industrial properties. The site selections also include the valuation of this site. How much should you pay? And do you pay too much?

Once you look at the size being selected, you will look at the what is the requirement on this site for the development. How high you can develop and what are the floor space ratios? What are the environmental requirement by the government to do the development? And you will working with the architects and then the planner to draw this development plan. And then, you will submit to the local council, get the approval. And you'll run the feasibility study say whether this development will be feasible for as a developer. You will consider the finance for the development because no single person can using 100% cash to do the development. You will fully utilize the leverage to do the development.

And then you will working as a team of contractors, builders to develop the industrial property for you or commercial. And then you will make the decision whether you are going to sell the property or going to manage, build rent. You are manage the properties. Who are going to manage it for you. This whole development process, you will learn from the Master of Property Development course.

But you will not learn the detailed knowledge in the Master of Real Estate Investments. The investment mainly manage the funds to make the investment decisions, for example. If you are the fund manager, you've got the so much equity funds come from the individual, you need the mom and dad, or investors, or you are the pension fund investors, or you are the superannuation fund investors.

When these investors have so much money and they want to invest somewhere, whether locally or overseas, whether in the real estate markets or the share market or the bond markets. And what are the portfolio will be, what are the return and risk involved? That is decisions required in the Master of Real Estate Investments. Mainly like the real estate trust, a real estate investment trust, which is list in the Australia stock exchange.

You need to make... They are hundreds, thousands of and the trust or the shares in the stock exchange. What are the portfolios? Are they high risk portfolios or IT or the development firms or they are investment firms? Are you will look at the different portfolios to make decisions. They are the main different course subjects involved.

What are the entry level for graduate certificate? The graduate certificate is going to focus on the Master of Property Development. We do not have graduate certificate in Master of Real Estate Investment. If you want to go into the graduate certificate, I will suggest you go to the graduate certificate in property development first. Once you pass all the four subjects, then you can go to the internal course transfer, go to the Master of Real Estate Investment course or the double degree. Okay. There is the pathway and articulations for the course.

If a student cannot attend a lecture due to work, then will be recall available. Really depends on the situations, whether it's COVID or whether there is a workshop. If there is a workshop, impossible to do the recording because you must attend the participate the group discussions. And each group will have a different places. It's difficult for recorded. The sum of the lecture will be recorded but not all the lecture will be recorded. That will be depends on the situations.

"Excellent explanation. Thanks very much for... Thank you and great idea." Thanks. Thanks, Joe. And then let's look at another one on chat. If you have any questions after that. Okay, so this come from that Irena, who come from marketing team, they also give you that. Okay, that's great. Is there any other questions?

"Please email to download the recording." You means presentation recording? Yeah, if you are related to the recording for this section, information section, you can contact the marketing staff. Irena will help you for that. Are there any other questions from other students? Okay. It seems that I have answered all your questions. As said, if you have a further questions right please do not hesitate to contact our marketing team who will be reply to you. And you can contact me as well for one-on-one sessions and thank you very much and this is end of our information evening. Thank you.